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		<title>By: imchillindave</title>
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		<dc:creator>imchillindave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 11:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I unfortunately dove into Linux without any guidance and Ubuntu was the distro I fell upon.  I tried one called Ultimate Edition, but there wasn&#039;t much support and I didn&#039;t know at the time what anything was called, much less what GUI Enviroment it was running and that there were differences in them.  I&#039;m still a little Linux challenged, but since starting and running my own Apache 2 web server, which I had used to publicly host about 6 websites for a few months, I&#039;ve learned a vast amount more about it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Jaunty has been a big improvement on my end, which now offers wireless drivers for my Asus Eee netbook.  I&#039;ve seen many issues with it, but I have nothing but Windows to compare it to and there&#039;s just no comparison.  I wouldn&#039;t touch Windows anymore except I do a lot of video editing and I haven&#039;t successfully managed to do that in Ubuntu without video rendering issues.  So I&#039;m still partially married to Windows.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In terms of support, I&#039;ve actually had good luck so far and really haven&#039;t needed forum support since you can find an answer that works just about every time with the use of Google.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I did appreciate your review though and if I get the chance, I might give another distro a try.  I looked a Fedora and I still favored Ubuntu, but that&#039;s as far as I&#039;ve gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I unfortunately dove into Linux without any guidance and Ubuntu was the distro I fell upon.  I tried one called Ultimate Edition, but there wasn&#39;t much support and I didn&#39;t know at the time what anything was called, much less what GUI Enviroment it was running and that there were differences in them.  I&#39;m still a little Linux challenged, but since starting and running my own Apache 2 web server, which I had used to publicly host about 6 websites for a few months, I&#39;ve learned a vast amount more about it.</p>
<p>Jaunty has been a big improvement on my end, which now offers wireless drivers for my Asus Eee netbook.  I&#39;ve seen many issues with it, but I have nothing but Windows to compare it to and there&#39;s just no comparison.  I wouldn&#39;t touch Windows anymore except I do a lot of video editing and I haven&#39;t successfully managed to do that in Ubuntu without video rendering issues.  So I&#39;m still partially married to Windows.</p>
<p>In terms of support, I&#39;ve actually had good luck so far and really haven&#39;t needed forum support since you can find an answer that works just about every time with the use of Google.  </p>
<p>I did appreciate your review though and if I get the chance, I might give another distro a try.  I looked a Fedora and I still favored Ubuntu, but that&#39;s as far as I&#39;ve gone.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris!!!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris!!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 02:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ubuntu rox.  kthx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ubuntu rox.  kthx</p>
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		<title>By: Bookmarks about Script</title>
		<link>http://linuxchic.net/geekery/ubuntu-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-759</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookmarks about Script</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 03:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] - bookmarked by 1 members originally found by TheButtonMan on 2008-08-26  Ubuntu Fail  http://linuxchic.net/linux/ubuntu-fail/ - bookmarked by 5 members originally found by antiacido on [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8211; bookmarked by 1 members originally found by TheButtonMan on 2008-08-26  Ubuntu Fail  <a href="http://linuxchic.net/linux/ubuntu-fail/" rel="nofollow">http://linuxchic.net/linux/ubuntu-fail/</a> &#8211; bookmarked by 5 members originally found by antiacido on [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Martín Torres</title>
		<link>http://linuxchic.net/geekery/ubuntu-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-754</link>
		<dc:creator>Martín Torres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like you, I was disappointed Ubuntu (one reason is its stability). So I switch to Fedora (very good distribution), and now I use openSUSE, and I&#039;m very happy with the change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like you, I was disappointed Ubuntu (one reason is its stability). So I switch to Fedora (very good distribution), and now I use openSUSE, and I&#8217;m very happy with the change.</p>
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		<title>By: http://www.flickr.com/photos/kc-bike</title>
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		<dc:creator>http://www.flickr.com/photos/kc-bike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 02:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When it works out of the box, it&#039;s great.  When people like my dad start having problems, it takes a true evil genius geek to get things figured out.  I&#039;ve honestly never been a fan of any Debian-derived work.  apt-get beats RPM any day of the week, but that&#039;s not saying much.  I&#039;m a true-blue BSD freak at heart, and BSD&#039;s Ports/Package systems haven&#039;t changed much at all in the past decade and they JUST WORK most of the time. 

Since this is Linux world, though, I can admit that Gentoo is cool but daunting for the beginner.  It&#039;s pretty much the problem with the entirety of Linux on the desktop.  

Not to wax Apple fanboi over here, but in the 15 years Linux has been around, they&#039;ve still failed at coming up with an OS that most anyone can sit down at and simply use.  Apple (yes, and all their corporate moolah) threw together a bunch of old tech into a crucible and out pops OS X, a unix-based OS that solves so many problems that have plagued Linux for so long.

I can&#039;t help but think that if there weren&#039;t 300 different teams shooting for spin-offs or mulligans of the same old rubbish, we might have three really epic takes on the Linux flavor, any one of which might finally stand more than a snowball&#039;s chance in hell at stealing significant desktop market share from Apple and Microsoft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it works out of the box, it&#8217;s great.  When people like my dad start having problems, it takes a true evil genius geek to get things figured out.  I&#8217;ve honestly never been a fan of any Debian-derived work.  apt-get beats RPM any day of the week, but that&#8217;s not saying much.  I&#8217;m a true-blue BSD freak at heart, and BSD&#8217;s Ports/Package systems haven&#8217;t changed much at all in the past decade and they JUST WORK most of the time. </p>
<p>Since this is Linux world, though, I can admit that Gentoo is cool but daunting for the beginner.  It&#8217;s pretty much the problem with the entirety of Linux on the desktop.  </p>
<p>Not to wax Apple fanboi over here, but in the 15 years Linux has been around, they&#8217;ve still failed at coming up with an OS that most anyone can sit down at and simply use.  Apple (yes, and all their corporate moolah) threw together a bunch of old tech into a crucible and out pops OS X, a unix-based OS that solves so many problems that have plagued Linux for so long.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help but think that if there weren&#8217;t 300 different teams shooting for spin-offs or mulligans of the same old rubbish, we might have three really epic takes on the Linux flavor, any one of which might finally stand more than a snowball&#8217;s chance in hell at stealing significant desktop market share from Apple and Microsoft.</p>
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		<title>By: bblboy54</title>
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		<dc:creator>bblboy54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 05:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like we talked about before I am totally with you.  When the first version of MythBuntu was released I was blown away by how great it was.  And other than the tracker thing I was still loving Ubuntu at that point....  MythBuntu really made advanced MythTV setups a breeze and I didn&#039;t have to worry about any custom configurations for old hardware at all.  When I recently did the dist-upgrade to my mythbuntu system everything went to hell in a hand basket.  All of a sudden I was having buffering issues when I was trying to watch TV....  I played with settings and it got better... for a while.....  I eventually just ended up having to build a beefier PC as my front end.....  up until that upgrade my P3 1.0ghz CPU with 512MB of RAM did just fine for both playback and for DVD playback.....  now here I am with an AMD Athlon and I rarely get buffer issues when watching shows off of the backend but I still have a good bit of issues with DVD playback.  I don&#039;t understand how all of a sudden it takes a lot more power to do what I&#039;ve been doing for years....  It feels a lot like upgrading to the latest and greatest windows version.... more power required for less features.

And the hardware thing.... FFS.....  *EVERYONE* has Hauppauge PVR150s....  they were *THE* tuner card that you used for Linux and MythTV was basically designed around them.......  while it&#039;s true that my PVR150s are still working as far as recording I can&#039;t get the damned IR blaster to work to save my life.  In fact, I can&#039;t get any of them to work.....  I&#039;ve spent time on google and finding many instructions for getting it to work with LIRC but whatever crap version of LIRC that is installed in MythBuntu now doesn&#039;t fit what every other how-to does.....  But people in the Ubuntu forums should know, right?  Well apparently not.....  I guess because I don&#039;t have a huge desire to have huge HDTV screens and I really only care about simple TV then I am not worthy of their time.

But a side note.... Debian&#039;s bug trackers and forums are just as evil.....  sure linux is known to be &quot;snobby&quot; but my first step away from Madnriva was to Debian and it only took 3 visits to the forums before I was so pissed off that I decided never to run Debian again.....  well, that is until now that Ubuntu is going the same way......  I also have to say that a lot of the stupid bull crap in Ubuntu is starting to creep up in Debian too.....  I think the reason why it&#039;s not noticed as much is because their release cycle is so slow.  In fact, you can&#039;t even use the new 3ware cards on a default Debian install because the kernel doesn&#039;t support them.....  but when we used a custom CD image with the latest kernel we gained that support but we lost support for other hardware we had.  I think Ubuntu might be a glimpse into what Debian is ultimately becomming as well....

I might have to check out Arch.....  The distro that I&#039;m thinking I may dive into if I abandon all of debian is GenToo.....  I&#039;ve wanted to for a while but I&#039;m just too lazy to learn.....  but I have quite a few customers that are converting servers over to GenToo and at least half of everyone in my LUG prefers GenToo.... so there must be something to it :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like we talked about before I am totally with you.  When the first version of MythBuntu was released I was blown away by how great it was.  And other than the tracker thing I was still loving Ubuntu at that point&#8230;.  MythBuntu really made advanced MythTV setups a breeze and I didn&#8217;t have to worry about any custom configurations for old hardware at all.  When I recently did the dist-upgrade to my mythbuntu system everything went to hell in a hand basket.  All of a sudden I was having buffering issues when I was trying to watch TV&#8230;.  I played with settings and it got better&#8230; for a while&#8230;..  I eventually just ended up having to build a beefier PC as my front end&#8230;..  up until that upgrade my P3 1.0ghz CPU with 512MB of RAM did just fine for both playback and for DVD playback&#8230;..  now here I am with an AMD Athlon and I rarely get buffer issues when watching shows off of the backend but I still have a good bit of issues with DVD playback.  I don&#8217;t understand how all of a sudden it takes a lot more power to do what I&#8217;ve been doing for years&#8230;.  It feels a lot like upgrading to the latest and greatest windows version&#8230;. more power required for less features.</p>
<p>And the hardware thing&#8230;. FFS&#8230;..  *EVERYONE* has Hauppauge PVR150s&#8230;.  they were *THE* tuner card that you used for Linux and MythTV was basically designed around them&#8230;&#8230;.  while it&#8217;s true that my PVR150s are still working as far as recording I can&#8217;t get the damned IR blaster to work to save my life.  In fact, I can&#8217;t get any of them to work&#8230;..  I&#8217;ve spent time on google and finding many instructions for getting it to work with LIRC but whatever crap version of LIRC that is installed in MythBuntu now doesn&#8217;t fit what every other how-to does&#8230;..  But people in the Ubuntu forums should know, right?  Well apparently not&#8230;..  I guess because I don&#8217;t have a huge desire to have huge HDTV screens and I really only care about simple TV then I am not worthy of their time.</p>
<p>But a side note&#8230;. Debian&#8217;s bug trackers and forums are just as evil&#8230;..  sure linux is known to be &#8220;snobby&#8221; but my first step away from Madnriva was to Debian and it only took 3 visits to the forums before I was so pissed off that I decided never to run Debian again&#8230;..  well, that is until now that Ubuntu is going the same way&#8230;&#8230;  I also have to say that a lot of the stupid bull crap in Ubuntu is starting to creep up in Debian too&#8230;..  I think the reason why it&#8217;s not noticed as much is because their release cycle is so slow.  In fact, you can&#8217;t even use the new 3ware cards on a default Debian install because the kernel doesn&#8217;t support them&#8230;..  but when we used a custom CD image with the latest kernel we gained that support but we lost support for other hardware we had.  I think Ubuntu might be a glimpse into what Debian is ultimately becomming as well&#8230;.</p>
<p>I might have to check out Arch&#8230;..  The distro that I&#8217;m thinking I may dive into if I abandon all of debian is GenToo&#8230;..  I&#8217;ve wanted to for a while but I&#8217;m just too lazy to learn&#8230;..  but I have quite a few customers that are converting servers over to GenToo and at least half of everyone in my LUG prefers GenToo&#8230;. so there must be something to it :)</p>
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